Pure NL the right one for me? (1 Viewer)

[MatthiasGr]

In my short experience, covering the entrance lens is not solving the problem.
It's more like you need to work on the front and simulate lens hoods with your hands.

 

[Isthatascratch?]

Interesting, so would it help if you use “make-up” or use the stuff that soldiers put on their face to prevent glare?
In that case Swarovski should not only provide soap and a brush but also a crème to put on your cheeks.

I’ve been out in the English Countryside today and the sun is very strong and bright (where I am) and I used the 8x42NL and Habicht 8x30 W and couldn’t force any Glare from the NL and only a very very occasionally with the 8x30 W by forcing it into an extreme situation. The NL adjustable eye cups are at position 4 and with the Habicht I use the bog standard eyecups.

I am not a spectacle wearer and I picked two that have a reputation as the most susceptible.

I appreciate all have different faces etc and different experiences. I am, perhaps, lucky that I don’t have to resort to darkened cheeks or a balaclava!

 

[MikeRottier]

I’ve been out in the English Countryside today and the sun is very strong and bright (where I am) and I used the 8x42NL and Habicht 8x30 W and couldn’t force any Glare from the NL and only a very very occasionally with the 8x30 W by forcing it into an extreme situation. The NL adjustable eye cups are at position 4 and with the Habicht I use the bog standard eyecups.

I am not a spectacle wearer and I picked two that have a reputation as the most susceptible.

I appreciate all have different faces etc and different experiences. I am, perhaps, lucky that I don’t have to resort to darkened cheeks or a balaclava!

But can you force the NL to glare when you put the eyecups in the retracted position, and place them under your eyebrows and create some distance between your eyes and the exit lenses ?

 

[Isthatascratch?]

But can you force the NL to glare when you put the eyecups in the retracted position, and place them under your eyebrows and create some distance between your eyes and the exit lenses ?

I can retract the eyecups on the NL completely and place them under my eyebrows and could only produce glare in an extreme position but it was minimal and not invasive.

 

[MikeRottier]

I can retract the eyecups on the NL completely and place them under my eyebrows and could only produce glare in an extreme position but it was minimal and not invasive.

Hmm. Let's dig a little deeper. Did you wear a hat and was your face in the shade ?

 

[Isthatascratch?]

Hmm. Let's dig a little deeper. Did you wear a hat and was your face in the shade ?

No and no and my hair is short.

I am in the direct sun and tried also standing near my house wall that is light as that reflects a lot of light. I am not maintaining this is any scientific study here, just my experience on this sunny day with the morning sun in different positions.

 

[PatR]

Interesting, so would it help if you use “make-up” or use the stuff that soldiers put on their face to prevent glare?
In that case Swarovski should not only provide soap and a brush but also a crème to put on your cheeks.

This was in my Beloved’s Swarovski CL Companion 8x30 box. Perhaps Swarovski have decided that the NL series do not need them? 😏

 

[Isthatascratch?]

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This was in my Beloved’s Swarovski CL Companion 8x30 box. Perhaps Swarovski have decided that the NL series do not need them? 😏

Or one of these?

 

[Harry Stottle]

Or one of these?

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Why not make this an international citizen science experiment?
All Swarovski owners should wear a Balaclava helmet whilst birding on an agreed day and report back on the presence or absence of glare during their birding day.
Who is up for it?

 

[Yarkho]

Interesting, so would it help if you use “make-up” or use the stuff that soldiers put on their face to prevent glare?
In that case Swarovski should not only provide soap and a brush but also a crème to put on your cheeks.

Wearing makeup will certainly result in it being everywhere on the eye-cup and eye-lens.

That said, I have very little glare in my NL Pure 10x42. The MeoStars are better in this respect, even though they too have reflections from the face side.

 

[Dennis Mau]

Instructions for using your Swarovski NL Binoculars to avoid glare problems. (From Swarovski Manual)

1) When using your binoculars never look down, always look straight ahead, or you could experience glare issues.

2) When using your new NL binoculars, always keep your eyes perfectly aligned with the eyepieces, as even the smallest misalignment could cause glare.

3) When using your Swarovski NL binoculars don't let the binocular rest under your eyebrows but instead hold it directly in front of your eyes. This could cause glare reflection off your cheeks.

4) It is recommended to use eye black under your eyes and on your cheeks to reduce glare when using your NL binocular.

5) The eye cups must be adjusted very precisely with a micrometer to within 1 mm or less to avoid glare on a Swarovski NL binocular.

6) If you have shallow eye sockets, you will probably experience glare even if you follow all the steps above.

7) If you still experience glare after following all the above steps, we suggest you return your NL binoculars and buy a Zeiss or Nikon.

 

[Thotmosis]

Wearing makeup will certainly result in it being everywhere on the eye-cup and eye-lens.

That said, I have very little glare in my NL Pure 10x42. The MeoStars are better in this respect, even though they too have reflections from the face side.

I don’t have experience in wearing makeup but i believe you.

I have three Habicht’s and in daytime sometimes in certain conditions its possible that i notice some reflections (glare) but -for me- not disturbing at all. But in the evening, where i live -in the city- its a different story. I can only use the 7x42, the 8x30 and especially the 10x40 don’t like streetlights.

 

[MatthiasGr]

6) If you still experience glare after following all the above steps, we suggest you return your NL binoculars and buy a Nikon HG. We hate to admit it, but it is a better binocular and only costs 1/2 the price.

Maybe you add this to your "NL's are simply the best!" Thread from half a year ago.

I'm out now as I don't face much problems and honestly sick of nerdy discussions without outcome, I rather go out and watch birds 🥸

 

[Thotmosis]

I rather go out and watch birds 🥸

Now, in the evening… im wondering if…oh well have fun 🤩

 

[Dennis Mau]

Maybe you add this to your "NL's are simply the best!" Thread from half a year ago.

I'm out now as I don't face much problems and honestly sick of nerdy discussions without outcome, I rather go out and watch birds 🥸

That thread was before I saw the glare. NL's would be the best if they didn't have the glare. They have the biggest FOV with the sharpest edges, but the glare is a dealbreaker for me. I have moved on.

 

[GrampaTom]

That thread was before I saw the glare. NL's would be the best if they didn't have the glare. They have the biggest FOV with the sharpest edges, but the glare is a dealbreaker for me.

Not really Dennis. As I recall it after the brouhaha with WJC couple years back, then back from the wood shed you posted same stuff. You decided you had a problem back then. Then you came back and did it all over again with this one.

On this subject your credibility is long out the window. How many others will you hear from before you stop and ask yourself just what is it you hope to accomplish?

It’s Ok if YOU have a problem. That’s your experience, your problem. But do we have to read it almost daily? Why is it OK that you never miss the chance to discuss glare in first ELs then now NLs as if it was an attribute of these binos. Surely this thread might’ve taught you it’s not just a thing in those.

 

[Dennis Mau]

Not really Dennis. As I recall it after the brouhaha with WJC couple years back, then back from the wood shed you posted same stuff. You decided you had a problem back then. Then you came back and did it all over again with this one.

On this subject your credibility is long out the window. How many others will you hear from before you stop and ask yourself just what is it you hope to accomplish?

It’s Ok if YOU have a problem. That’s your experience, your problem. But do we have to read it almost daily? Why is it OK that you never miss the chance to discuss glare in first ELs then now NLs as if it was an attribute of these binos. Surely this thread might’ve taught you it’s not just a thing in those.

There are a lot of birders that see glare in the NL. Here is more objective proof of glare in the NL. It is not just my subjective opinion.

LeonWang
I just bought a NL 10x42 and I can confirm the flare issue is true. It beats my Canon 10-42 IS in every way, brighter, sharper, much smaller and lighter, a lot easier on the eyes… but there is only one thing that the Canon wins by a mile, i.e., flare resistance. Just by looking at the exit pupils, and it is quite obvious why the NL is so poor in this type of situation. The sun is already invisible, but the bottom half of the view from NL is completely polluted by the glare (see the second photo). On the contrary, the exit pupils of the Canon (third photo) are very clean.

 

[GrampaTom]

It is not just my problem, gramps! I am not alone. There are a lot of birders that see glare in the NL. Here is objective proof of glare in the NL. It is not just a subjective opinion. The NL is completely polluted by glare!

LeonWang
I just bought a NL 10x42 and I can confirm the flare issue is true. It beats my Canon 10-42 IS in every way, brighter, sharper, much smaller and lighter, a lot easier on the eyes… but there is only one thing that the Canon wins by a mile, i.e., flare resistance. Just by looking at the exit pupils, and it is quite obvious why the NL is so poor in this type of situation. The sun is already invisible, but the bottom half of the view from NL is completely polluted by the glare (see the second photo). On the contrary, the exit pupils of the Canon (third photo) are very clean.

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Nah. Objective proof? Sorry, this is not that.
Dennis you’re not getting it. It’s twice now you went away then came back declaring the NL 832 is the best birding bino, only to turn around after a short while to declare no and your next purchase is the best… it’s a pattern. Many here see it and call you on it. The problem is that “short while” business you regularly apply. Read up this thread, see what people are saying. You have to actually go birding. Not buy/sell then spend your time posting here. It takes awhile to learn how to get comfortable that you actually know how YOU interact with a Bino. There’s little to no evidence you ever do that. Your selective quoting does not change the reality of the thing.

 

[Jos Stratford]

Dennis, Grampa Tom, the issue or non-issue of glare has been endlessly argued about for months and months previously, each time ending up in yet another thread descending into a debate not about optics, but about Dennis.

Dennis, you have expressed your views on glare very clearly on numerous occasions, it is enough.
Grampa Tom et al, drop the endless personal attacks on Denco, it is also enough.

 

[Isthatascratch?]

Dennis, Grampa Tom, the issue or non-issue of glare has been endlessly argued about for months and months previously, each time ending up in yet another thread descending into a debate not about optics, but about Dennis.

Dennis, you have expressed your views on glare very clearly on numerous occasions, it is enough.
Grampa Tom et al, drop the endless personal attacks on Denco, it is also enough.

This is the glare I get if I don’t put all my binoculars away before the table is laid for dinner!