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Styrka Out Of Business (1 Viewer)

Josh Exmoor

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Just a heads up since this will impact current and prospective owners of Styrka optics. A birding acquaintance informed me that he tried to get his binoculars serviced under warranty and was informed that Styrka has closed their doors and is no longer servicing warranties. Their website is still up with no announcements, but the pages for service and support have been removed. Also, their social media pages have been deleted.
 
I noticed a mint S9 on eBay for 550 buy-it-now and it caught my eye. I could not find any info on the Styrka website on instructions and addresses for service and repair. This glaring absence was the reason I didn’t pull the trigger.
 
No wonder all the clearance prices on Styrkas. Another Kamakura clone bites the dust. I guess you could say they Styrkas Out. Is Maven next? I guess those Unconditional Lifetime Warranties they offer isn't worth the paper they are written on if the company goes under. Long live Zenray! Charles where are you?
 
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It's a crowded market out there, but as we've seen more and more optics companies fold in the last couple of years I have to think it will make people really hesitate to spend significant amounts of money for a binocular that may not be serviceable in a few years.

When I used the Wayback Machine to confirm that the website had been altered, I had to chuckle at their warranty page:

Others offer a warranty​

We make a commitment!​


We call it STYRKA Pride. It’s the warranty to beat all warranties. It’s simple, direct and all about you, our customer. We want you to know, before you buy a STYRKA product, that we are committed to – and invested in – making sure you have a wonderful and world-class experience.​

It’s more than a warranty, really. Not only will we take care of your STYRKA product if you ever have a problem, we’ll take care of it for you even if you don’t. That’s right, once a year, on our dime, you can send us your STYRKA product and we’ll clean it, tune it as needed and send it back to you virtually as good as new. Forever. Yes, we're that serious.

 
I've never seen a Syrka optic of any kind, but I take no joy in companies going out of business. Families are affected and that's not a good thing obviously.
 
This looks like a new Kamakura clone to replace Stryka. Their 8x42 high-end model weighs 46 OZ.! They must be made out of lead! They also have a 20x50 porro without IS! I guess Kamakura will build anything you ask them too. They really don't care if it sells or not.

It's a crowded market out there, but as we've seen more and more optics companies fold in the last couple of years I have to think it will make people really hesitate to spend significant amounts of money for a binocular that may not be serviceable in a few years.

When I used the Wayback Machine to confirm that the website had been altered, I had to chuckle at their warranty page:



"That’s right, once a year, on our dime, you can send us your STYRKA product, and we’ll clean it, tune it as needed and send it back to you virtually as good as new. Forever. Yes, we're that serious."

The Forever part is what is funny!
 
Ha Ha ... this is exactly my experience with lifetime guarantees!!! Yep, have a few things with lifetime warranties and the company is no longer around or no longer honoring those lifetime warranties. It's all good on paper and talk but reality is something different!!! On paper and talk I can make us all millionaires by the end of the week, woohoo, unfortunately reality doesn't work this way so you will be going back to work on Monday; sorry. I'm surprised Vortex is still going but they seem to be doing OK.... Hate to say I told you so, but I told you so....

CG
 
Ha Ha ... this is exactly my experience with lifetime guarantees!!! Yep, have a few things with lifetime warranties and the company is no longer around or no longer honoring those lifetime warranties. It's all good on paper and talk but reality is something different!!! On paper and talk I can make us all millionaires by the end of the week, woohoo, unfortunately reality doesn't work this way so you will be going back to work on Monday; sorry. I'm surprised Vortex is still going but they seem to be doing OK.... Hate to say I told you so, but I told you so....

CG
I had ordered a New S9 version 8x42 on Amazon about a month ago, never arrived. I also tried a offer on EBay on a S9 8x42 a few weeks ago, seller declined. Now I am glad both never materialized. It’s too bad though with all the reported people out of work here in the USA and around the world our society does not need more businesses to fail. I own a Maven binocular, it’s a great product ... I hope they can survive all this turmoil. As far as Zen Ray is concerned, I know a lot of people are still mad they can not get their binoculars replaced or serviced. I owned several of Zen Ray binoculars, never had a problem but they were never really used hard in the field or kept for a long time. I hold no bad feelings towards Charles, though it would be nice if he would come back to this forum to inform the readers on how/why Zen Ray’s demise came to be.
 
I wonder which company will go down next.

I think we have more than enough choice. There are too many optics brands that just use the same couple of Asian OEMs to build their products, IMO.

I read about research sometime last year that suggested stores sell less variety of products to boost sales. One store tried this experiment and sold more items. They began to offer only a few choices of a product and this made the decision easier for the customers. Too much variety can be overwhelming and this can make some customers leave the store without making a choice.
I can't recall the product in the article but let's just say it's coffee mugs. When just offering only a few styles from a couple of brands, customers would have less decision and therefore less anxiety and end up choosing the best color and style from the smaller lot. The store would sell more mugs this way.

But, I do feel for people who have lost their job; it's tough times.
 
I had an S7 8X42. Made in China. Lightweight, decent optics, excellent FOV, and mechanically sound. Retail price over $700. I thought their pricing was always high for what you get. Most places had this binocular for ~$600. I paid either $450 or $499 which was still too much. With a Zeiss emblem on a binocular one can sell a $300 for $450, but not Styrka. They should have dropped all the extras that came with the binocular and retailed it for $399.

Optics Planet has them for $299 right now. For THAT amount of money, that's a heck of a deal!
 
I'm surprised Vortex is still going but they seem to be doing OK.... Hate to say I told you so, but I told you so....

Vortex is honestly one of the brands I'd be least worried about. They've done a great job of building a solid reputation, especially in the hunting and shooting world. They've become my default recommendation when I see random folks asking for binocular advice because they're widely available, have a reputation of good support, and basically every binocular they make is somewhat competitive in its price range.

I'm actually a bit worried about Nikon's long-term future. Their camera business is really struggling and that market has shrunk a lot anyway. I'm sure the optics division would continue, but I could see it being split off or sold to a competitor and its unclear how that would impact the warranty.
 
"I'm actually a bit worried about Nikon's long-term future. Their camera business is really struggling and that market has shrunk a lot anyway. I'm sure the optics division would continue, but I could see it being split off or sold to a competitor and its unclear how that would impact the warranty."

Josh Exmoor


Yes Nikon is hurting these days, wonder what is next for the Company, these days - anything is possible and uncertain.

Andy W.
 
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"I'm actually a bit worried about Nikon's long-term future. Their camera business is really struggling and that market has shrunk a lot anyway. I'm sure the optics division would continue, but I could see it being split off or sold to a competitor and its unclear how that would impact the warranty."

Yes Nikon is hurting these days, wonder what is next for the Company, these days - anything is possible and uncertain.

Andy W.

Nikon fell asleep and now playing catch-up in the higher margin SLR camera and lens market. As iPhones replace point and shoot cameras, Canon and Nikon have to shift to higher margin products (professional level dSLR lenses) and making them attractive to consumers/prosumers. Nikon fell asleep as Canon made the first move with mind-blowing professional RF system lenses with Nikon playing catch-up in the Nikkor Z series.

I hope Nikon pulls through. Competition in the camera space is always good.
 
I wonder which company will go down next.

I think we have more than enough choice. There are too many optics brands that just use the same couple of Asian OEMs to build their products, IMO.

I read about research sometime last year that suggested stores sell less variety of products to boost sales. One store tried this experiment and sold more items. They began to offer only a few choices of a product and this made the decision easier for the customers. Too much variety can be overwhelming and this can make some customers leave the store without making a choice.

Yes, the market is really getting saturated with these companies. Zen-Ray, Athlon, Carson, Maven, Tract, Styrka, are just a few brands we hear about on this forum.

But have you ever gone on Amazon and tried to search for binoculars? You get obvious generic knock-offs like Wingspan Optics (this 8x32 for example is very obviously a cheap version of the current Vortex Diamondback 8x32) and all sorts of crazy pop-up brands. A zillion choices, they all look the same, any random consumer will have no idea which one is better so they'll just grab whatever $40-50 option has a bunch of good reviews and appears at the top of their search results.

Adorrgon??? POLDR????? Are they literally just putting random letters together?? Eyeskey? Skygenius? Occer? SALLOUS???? Are you kidding me??

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I'm surprised Vortex is still going but they seem to be doing OK.... Hate to say I told you so, but I told you so....

CG
I'm with Josh here, Vortex is the one "cheap" brand that I'm NOT worried about. They are widely known in the birding and hunting world, and those Amazon search results? Guess who also appears at the top of nearly every search?

Believe it or not, despite their bad rap in this enthusiast forum, in the "normal" world the $200 Vortex Diamondback is the premium splurge option for someone who thinks binoculars cost $35. Nikon Monarch and Vortex Diamondback are THE two recommendations when someone wants to upgrade to non-junk optics but isn't ready able to spend a fortune. I see more Vortex used by birders out in the field than any other non "premium" brand, except perhaps for Nikon Monarchs.

Vortex really pioneered this business model as the "direct-to-consumer upstart brand with an amazing warranty and optics that play way above their price point" and they've made it this far. Their binoculars have consistently bested low to mid price tiers in all sorts of comparison tests. Years before the now decade-old Conquest HD shook up the mid level market, the Vortex Viper line had an established death grip on the "90% of alpha optics for 1/4 the price" award. And, again years before the Conquest, the Razor line was the first widely known optic to have the reputation of "imperceptibly close to alpha optics for half the price". Someone says "I want a premium scope but I can't spend $3-4K on a Swaro or Zeiss or Leica". The most common answer will be "get a Razor HD".

Their reputation and market presence is just solid, and they seem to have their marketing sensors tuned right. I don't see the fall of the Zen-Rays and Styrkas along the way is relevant to the elephant in the room. Vortex is 15+ years past the teething stages during which those other companies collapsed.

I had an S7 8X42. Made in China. Lightweight, decent optics, excellent FOV, and mechanically sound. Retail price over $700. I thought their pricing was always high for what you get. Most places had this binocular for ~$600. I paid either $450 or $499 which was still too much. With a Zeiss emblem on a binocular one can sell a $300 for $450, but not Styrka. They should have dropped all the extras that came with the binocular and retailed it for $399.

Optics Planet has them for $299 right now. For THAT amount of money, that's a heck of a deal!
I do think Styrka's business model was odd. Clearly they wanted to stand out in this crowded market. They went a little premium with the price point, and then went over the top with their warranty (send it in every year for cleaning!) and throwing every accessory you can think of in the bag. Unfortunately it feels like all that extra stuff just cut into their profit margin but doesn't matter that much to consumers, why pay $600+ for the Styrka when you can buy the equivalent spec Vortex Viper HD for LESS and get comparable warranty coverage with a much more well-known, established brand?
 
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What I don't get is what the fuss for the buyer is all about.
In Europe, by law, the seller is responsible for the brands warranty and not the brand itself. It is the sellers problem when difficulties arise with the brands warranty. It is not the buyers problem. He can/will get the purchase price back from the seller/dealer when warranty terms are not met.
The reason, for us, not to sell Vortex. On the long (and for some brands short) run it's impossible for the brand to keep their promises.
"Lifetime warranty, no questions asked." yeah sure but not via my wallet.

Jan
 
Amazon the on-line Walmart, they came in handy when certain necessary household products were non-existent at local merchants earlier this year, but never considered them to obtain premium glass.

Andy W.
 
Nikon fell asleep and now playing catch-up in the higher margin SLR camera and lens market. As iPhones replace point and shoot cameras, Canon and Nikon have to shift to higher margin products (professional level dSLR lenses) and making them attractive to consumers/prosumers. Nikon fell asleep as Canon made the first move with mind-blowing professional RF system lenses with Nikon playing catch-up in the Nikkor Z series.

I hope Nikon pulls through. Competition in the camera space is always good.
Nikon actually did quite well with their Mirrorless Z mount introduction. Their f1.8 lenses were far more sensible than the 'Pro' f1.2 behemoths Canon was churning out (oddly only able to be used on the entry level matching bodies) - and better matched to the mid-high level Z6 & Z7.

Those Nikon lenses received great raps, it's just that the full lens set (particularly longer focal lengths) has been slow in coming. Nikon is a smaller company than Canon, and in this arena of new product roll out, it showed. Nikon also chose to make the halo f0.95 Noct very early on - which was mostly irrelevant to those sweating on matching native lenses for the new mirrorless bodies - however - very Nikon.

Both companies didn't exactly hit it out of the park with their initial mirrorless offerings. Canon's were a bit ordinary, stripped out and entry level - and Nikon introduced a cumbersome new AF initiation (and the 'dreaded' one storage card only format - which was surely one of the greatest Internet beat ups ever, for most users in practice - a few wedding specialists notwithstanding). Both AF systems trailed Sony which didn't help either.

Only Canon's recent R5 has seen them edge ahead with one of those generational leaps that are lucky to come once a decade for diehard loyalists.

Having said that, Canon has been getting smashed in Pro APS-C DSLR's for circa ~5 years and doesn't even seem to have any intention of competing. Nikon is rumoured to be coming out with even higher performing new iterations of it's top 2 Pro/sumer DSLR's, as well as a high end /hi-res mirrorless - so it's not all one way traffic.

Focusing on the to-ing and fro-ing misses one major point which the camera industry is subject to, though less-so than the rebadged OEM binocular industry. That is duplication and differentiation.

In many ways, the Styrkas of the world are the quintessential American smoke and mirrors, snake oil ruse - 'pinstripes', 'racing badges', 'chrome trim' and 'fins' ..... none of which advances actual performance - it's just marketing fluff and bunkum. Hardly the basis for a sustainable business model.

Even the 'mighty' Canon and Nikon play uncomfortably close to this line. Their new mirrorless mounts have a scant 1mm in diameter, and 2mm in FFL between them. Madness.

Sit down and have a rational think about that - in a world that is headed over the edge ecologically, and consuming the planet at an unsustainable rate. Virtually identical, yet completely incompatible mount specifications - requiring duplication of the entire lens lineup by both companies. A 70-200 f2.8 by Canon, and a nearly identical product by Nikon. What a waste. What just a heck of a waste of resources.

Ultimately, who cares - Canon or Nikon ?
Beyond a few proprietary differences, they do exactly the same job. While competition improves the breed, and you don't want a big fat lazy cartel also wasting planetary resources for no tangible improvements - the current situation is a crime against humanity in my view. Sooo many industries are guilty.

The binocular industry is orders worse. Identical formats and designs rebadged over multiple brands. 'Shiny badges and trinkets' the only difference. What sort of madness is this ? This is not Dreaming ..... this is a Nightmare !

It's time to get real. If 2020 has taught us anything, then it is that - and even Blind Freddy can see it ......






Chosun 🙅
 
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The mount specs are an example of convergent design. If you take two different teams of engineers and task them to create something to do a task within specified parameters, the products will look awfully familiar. I can’t comment on the Nikkor Z but the RF lenses are a big leap forward when used with a modern body. I am astonished by the autofocus accuracy when a R5 or R6 is paired with an RF lens. At least lenses are used for decades... unlike smart phones. When Canon introduced the RF mount, I assumed that the reason Canon became less competitive over the previous 3 years was because the company had quietly directed its resources to developing the full frame mirror less platform. But consumerism and Waste extends from McDonald’s happy meals toys to automobiles to cheap fast fashion clothes. And global warming would be slowed down by everyone turning vegetarian. Yet I don’t see any politicians committing political suicide by beseeching the voters to stop eating beef in order to save the planet.
 
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