Ultravid 8x42 BL? (1 Viewer)

[ceasar]

It looks like Leica is trying to disguise the fact that the L line isn't HD by specifying that only the rubber armored line is, by putting that tidbit of information in the totally unrelated "Housing" category. Unless they consider rubber armor to be housing. Or am I reading this wrong?

Joe

Leica just came out with new 2016 Green Leather "SAFARI" Edition 8x42 and 10x42 Ultravids. Only 100 of each will be made.

https://us.leica-camera.com/World-o...ews/Global/2016/Leica-Ultravid-Safari-Edition

Prices are 2450 and 2500 Euros or more than $2800.00.

Nothing on them indicates what their coatings are. All they say on their bodies are Ultravid 8x42 or Ultravid 10x42. My guess is that they have the same glass in them that Leica is putting into their current 42mm binoculars----HD+. It doesn't make sense not to do this.

I think that is what they did with all their special editions.

They put their current glass into them, so, for instance, some of them, in the past, would have Aqua Dura and others won't.

If you look close, on the front of the hinge cap you can see the word Portugal.

They have the same eye cups as my 8x42 Ultravid BL has.

Bob

 

[CloseFocus]

Leica just came out with new 2016 Green Leather "SAFARI" Edition 8x42 and 10x42 Ultravids. Only 100 of each will be made.

https://us.leica-camera.com/World-o...ews/Global/2016/Leica-Ultravid-Safari-Edition

Prices are 2450 and 2500 Euros or more than $2800.00.

Nothing on them indicates what their coatings are. All they say on their bodies are Ultravid 8x42 or Ultravid 10x42. My guess is that they have the same glass in them that Leica is putting into their current 42mm binoculars----HD+. It doesn't make sense not to do this.

I think that is what they did with all their special editions.

They put their current glass into them, so, for instance, some of them, in the past, would have Aqua Dura and others won't.

If you look close, on the front of the hinge cap you can see the word Portugal.

They have the same eye cups as my 8x42 Ultravid BL has.

Bob

Mine say Made in Germany. Since Leica still sells the Trinovid line, which presumably has non-HD Ultravids Optics, there's a good chance that the L line does too. If the L line had HD Optics, it seems like that's something Leica would advertise. Not that it matters a whole lot to me. I couldn't tell the difference when the HD line came out anyway.

Joe

 

[ceasar]

Mine say Made in Germany. Since Leica still sells the Trinovid line, which presumably has non-HD Ultravids Optics, there's a good chance that the L line does too. If the L line had HD Optics, it seems like that's something Leica would advertise. Not that it matters a whole lot to me. I couldn't tell the difference when the HD line came out anyway.

Joe

I can't tell the difference either.

Bob

 

[Hermann]

Leica just came out with new 2016 Green Leather "SAFARI" Edition 8x42 and 10x42 Ultravids. Only 100 of each will be made. <snip>

Prices are 2450 and 2500 Euros or more than $2800.00.

Nothing on them indicates what their coatings are. All they say on their bodies are Ultravid 8x42 or Ultravid 10x42. My guess is that they have the same glass in them that Leica is putting into their current 42mm binoculars----HD+. It doesn't make sense not to do this.

Unless they're still got a number of Ultravid (non-HD, non HD+) around they need to get rid of at a decent price.

And the collectors snatching up these bins won't in all likelihood know the difference anyway.

Hermann

 

[ceasar]

Unless they're still got a number of Ultravid (non-HD, non HD+) around they need to get rid of at a decent price.

And the collectors snatching up these bins won't in all likelihood know the difference anyway.

Hermann

It would be a good idea, I think, to wait and find out what is written in the instruction manual about their coatings. That shouldn't be hard to find out in Europe where I suspect most of them will be sold. There will only be 200 made for sale world wide.

Is Jan getting one to sell?

Bob

 

[jan van daalen]

It would be a good idea, I think, to wait and find out what is written in the instruction manual about their coatings. That shouldn't be hard to find out in Europe where I suspect most of them will be sold. There will only be 200 made for sale world wide.

Is Jan getting one to sell?

Bob

750.00 euro extra for green paint?:-C
750,00 euro extra for old stock in non HD/non HD+?

Last year I asked one of the reps at the Leica plant in Wetzlar how the retailprice was established and the last part of the answer was: "....and then we put some extra on top of it, because the higher the price, the harder the customer runs".

If it would have been the 32 model, which would be very exclusive, and these in a limited edition, absolutely.

Jan

 

[ceasar]

750.00 euro extra for green paint?:-C
750,00 euro extra for old stock in non HD/non HD+?

Last year I asked one of the reps at the Leica plant in Wetzlar how the retailprice was established and the last part of the answer was: "....and then we put some extra on top of it, because the higher the price, the harder the customer runs".

If it would have been the 32 model, which would be very exclusive, and these in a limited edition, absolutely.

Jan

You must have known that they were coming out. They were just announced by Leica.

If I was in Leica management I would fire the rep who talked to you. After a proper investigation of course.

Bob

 

[Hermann]

If I was in Leica management I would fire the rep who talked to you. After a proper investigation of course.

Firing him/her for talking the truth?

BTW, talking to some of the older guys from the three big European manufacturers can be highly entertaining and very educational. Especially if you bring up topics like the optical differences between porros and roofs, the long-term reliability of different focusers, the longetivity of different types of armouring or what binoculars THEY themselves use ... :h?:

Hermann

 

[PhilR.]

Firing him/her for talking the truth?

No. You fire him for giving away internal corporate decision making policies that determine how a company runs it business. No company in it's right mind would keep an employee that would give away how corporate policies (and the pricing of commodities is one) and internal decisions are made, and this is whether or not any particular human finds said policy agreeable or disagreeable. Especially when a policy can be found by the public/competitors to be disagreeable, such as the case here.

 

[ceasar]

Welllllll...........

After all these very limited editions are essentially advertising for the brand, aren't they? A brand that these "older guys" sell for the company they have a career in.

It doesn't strike me as sensible to make fun of the people who help put food on your plates no matter how small their own contribution to it is.

Bob

 

[jan van daalen]

You must have known that they were coming out. They were just announced by Leica.

If I was in Leica management I would fire the rep who talked to you. After a proper investigation of course.

Bob

Well Bob, I had to find out on good old BF about this green gem.

Why kill the messenger for talking the truth?

Jan

 

[jan van daalen]

Welllllll...........

After all these very limited editions are essentially advertising for the brand, aren't they? A brand that these "older guys" sell for the company they have a career in.

It doesn't strike me as sensible to make fun of the people who help put food on your plates no matter how small their own contribution to it is.

Bob

Bob,

I assume you mean the Leica employee in this matter. Believe me, there was no fun element in this discussion. Purely a "business call" between two persons and it has nothing to do with contribution/make fun of people. That's purely your interpretation.
The ironie of this is, is that it is reality.

Jan

 

[ceasar]

Bob,

I assume you mean the Leica employee in this matter. Believe me, there was no fun element in this discussion. Purely a "business call" between two persons and it has nothing to do with contribution/make fun of people. That's purely your interpretation.
The ironie of this is, is that it is reality.

Jan

I'm sorry Jan,

I should have been specific and copied Herman's post #28 because I was responding to him.

I did copy your post #26 in my earlier response to you. The way you had it written, commenting on the green color and such I assumed that you knew the binocular was in the works and you wanted to know how its retail price would be set.

I guess I read too much into your comments and if so I apologize.

Bob

PS: You did seem pretty sure Leica was using "old stock."

 

[NDhunter]

Another recent special edition I have seen is the Zeiss Conquest HD 10x42, in a wooden box.
The case and binocular look very standard to me.

What is so special about that, even if there are only 100 of them ?
The seller wants $2,500.00 for it. Wow.

Jerry

 

[jan van daalen]

I'm sorry Jan,

I should have been specific and copied Herman's post #28 because I was responding to him.

I did copy your post #26 in my earlier response to you. The way you had it written, commenting on the green color and such I assumed that you knew the binocular was in the works and you wanted to know how its retail price would be set.

I guess I read too much into your comments and if so I apologize.

Bob

PS: You did seem pretty sure Leica was using "old stock."

OK, understood.
Foreign languages and not be able to see each other while communicating gave me this misinterpretation.

This is not for the first time a (Leica) retailer has to find out novelties via public domains like BF. Sometimes it is caused by embargo, but it leaks out (mostly on BF), and sometimes it is caused by lack of initiative from the brands reps. Whatever it may caused it, I did not know about this green gem.
The reason why I adressed my question on that meet was, that I find it hard to explain the price difference to the potential buyer. This green gem is a good example. Airbrush this black/silverline model green and suddenly it's worth 750,00 euro's more. Another example are the pocket Ultravids. They are way more expensive in leather, in regards to te rubber design while they are optical identical. In the 42 line it is the other way around. The black and silver line are cheaper, but suddenly the green line is much more expensive while AFAIK they are optical identical.
In 32 the price difference would be explainable. It was never there in leather.
So I hoped (finding myself at the source of all wisdom) for a satisfying answer from one of the decisionmakers at the scene (@ Phil: I don't think this person can/will be sacked).

Jan

 

[ceasar]

Jan (re post #35)

I think that the new Leica "Edition Safari" is a real limited edition binocular in that only 200 of them will be made. Under that exclusive limitation and with their prices I think that it is only fair that Leica should put its best current optics into them.

The Silver Lines and Black Lines have been around for years as options for people who want to purchase something different in the Ultravid line. The only information I have about the optics in my Black Line is in the Manual of Instructions that came with it. I bought it as a demo from Camera Land in February 2014.

Bob

 

[jan van daalen]

Jan (re post #35)

I think that the new Leica "Edition Safari" is a real limited edition binocular in that only 200 of them will be made. Under that exclusive limitation and with their prices I think that it is only fair that Leica should put its best current optics into them.

The Silver Lines and Black Lines have been around for years as options for people who want to purchase something different in the Ultravid line. The only information I have about the optics in my Black Line is in the Manual of Instructions that came with it. I bought it as a demo from Camera Land in February 2014.

Bob

As it happened to be......I got visit from the rep today who showed me (a picture) of the green one which has the same optics as the silver/black line.
Only the "French leather" one which costs 10.500,00 euro has HD+.

I rest my case:eat:

Jan

 

[CloseFocus]

Jan (re post #35)

I think that the new Leica "Edition Safari" is a real limited edition binocular in that only 200 of them will be made. Under that exclusive limitation and with their prices I think that it is only fair that Leica should put its best current optics into them.

The Silver Lines and Black Lines have been around for years as options for people who want to purchase something different in the Ultravid line. The only information I have about the optics in my Black Line is in the Manual of Instructions that came with it. I bought it as a demo from Camera Land in February 2014.

Bob

My Silverline was a demo too, but it looked like new when I got it. I paid a few hundred more than what the new Trinovids are currently selling for, so I think I got a good deal. It was a big step up from the older model Trinovid I had at the time, and I'm going to compare the view to the new HD+ model at a birding festival this spring. But unless the view is significantly improved, I'll be keeping my Silverline.

 

[ceasar]

As it happened to be......I got visit from the rep today who showed me (a picture) of the green one which has the same optics as the silver/black line.
Only the "French leather" one which costs 10.500,00 euro has HD+.

I rest my case:eat:

Jan

If that is the case I won't be buying one at those prices. That is just plain cheap on Leica's part!:C Does Leica put second rate optics in their special edition cameras too?

Really now! How much more would they have cost with the best optics in them? To people who can afford to purchase them it would be a picayune issue.

Bob

 

[Troubador]

Come on boys.

Don't try and pretend you don't know that these collector's / limited editions will end up in illuminated, controlled temperature and atmosphere glass cases and handled with cotton gloves. Just guessing, but I don't reckon they will ever get dragged through a swamp or showered with salt-water spray next to the sea, or dropped into a pile of ****.

Still like the look of those leather covered Trinnies though :king:.

Lee