NL's are simply the best! (4 Viewers)

[Dennis Mau]

Me too, it's why mine have been in (almost) daily use as my go-to all-rounder since they were first released. I also have an NL8x32 for closed habitat / butterflies / dragonflies etc. I personally consider that both are truly exceptional.



I tend to agree, but would add that the inevitably short-lived yet wildly-enthusiastic justifications frequently posted are probably more about attempting to convince himself that his (ultimately futile) search for binocular-based contentment is finally over.

The easiest option would be to dismiss Denco's ramblings as the extemporisations of a somewhat troubled soul; except I also personally think he has a reasonably reliable eye and has probably auditioned more binoculars than most.

The binary choice of uncritically taking or dismissing his views completely could be argued to be far too simplistic and very unwise.

Very true! At least the part about dismissing my views as being very unwise.

 

[Dennis Mau]

All binos put more focus on flat field bino. I won't say it is perfectly wrong, but because of them some odd thing happen.
such as Vanguard Endeavor ED2 10x42 won on points compared to Leica UVHD+ 10x42
(so, is UV inferior bino or just less flat bino that have disadvantages of allbino's scoreboard?)

After having seen many of the bino that all bino reviewed (at least 50 I guess)
I presonally sees four parts of allbino review

1. Colorfidelity (not points but graph they show after aroung 2015)

2. FOV

3. Edge sharpness (but I think allbino teds to favor the bit of fuzziness more such as they give NL a full point)

4. Close focus

I'm not saying all of other part can be ignored, but saying those 4 tends to be best fit to my experience of the excact bino

I would ignore your reviews before I would ignore Albinos. Your reviews are totally subjective. According to jackjack this binocular is brighter and sharper because that is what jackjack sees with his eyes and jackjack's eyes are perfect. Then you support your reviews with a photo that means nothing.

 

[Dennis Mau]

Pot-kettle.
There are times you write stuff that makes me laugh out loud.

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The NL 8x42 has only a 9 m advantage in FOV over the FL 7x42, but if you consider the much better DOF of the FL 7x42 versus the NL 8x42 the TFOV that is actually in focus at any one time is much greater in the FL 7x42. Think of it as a spherical FOV, with the 7x having a much bigger sphere than the 8x. That is one of the big advantages of a 7x42 over a 8x42, you can see much more and spot many more birds, especially in dense foliage because of the greater DOF or bigger sphere. You are also seeing a more 3D image with a 7x than the more pie plate flat image of a 8x, especially with the NL, and you don't have to focus near as much. In fact, beyond about 10m, you don't even have to focus at all with a 7x.

denco, given what you wrote above, how many extra birds were you spotting with a 7x?

How many birds are you now failing to spot with your new 8x that you would have seen with 7x?

How did/do you even know you have failed to spot a bird?

I compared the FL 7x42 to my NL 8x32, and I decided for daytime birding I preferred the NL. I liked the bigger AFOV, the sharper edges, less astigmatism, less coma, less distortion, sharper edges, more neutral colors with no green tint, smoother focuser, smaller size and lighter weight of the NL 8x32 versus the FL 7x42. Furthermore, I see more birds with the NL 8x32 because with the FL 7x42 20% of the FOV had distortion, especially on the edges. Long live the FL 7x42. It went back to its original owner because he missed it.

 

[Dennis Mau]

I purchased a used 12x42NL and resold it, and currently have the 8x42NL. I agree with the point about the 12x42NL being really special, with its immersive 71 degree AFOV.

The bigger the AFOV of a binocular the more WOW factor it has.

 

[Dennis Mau]

All binos put more focus on flat field bino. I won't say it is perfectly wrong, but because of them some odd thing happen.
such as Vanguard Endeavor ED2 10x42 won on points compared to Leica UVHD+ 10x42
(so, is UV inferior bino or just less flat bino that have disadvantages of allbino's scoreboard?)

After having seen many of the bino that all bino reviewed (at least 50 I guess)
I presonally sees four parts of allbino review

1. Colorfidelity (not points but graph they show after aroung 2015)

2. FOV

3. Edge sharpness (but I think allbino teds to favor the bit of fuzziness more such as they give NL a full point)

4. Close focus

I'm not saying all of other part can be ignored, but saying those 4 tends to be best fit to my experience of the excact bino

"All binos put more focus on flat field bino. I won't say it is perfectly wrong, but because of them some odd thing happen.
such as Vanguard Endeavor ED2 10x42 won on points compared to Leica UVHD+ 10x42"

Of course, the Vanguard would win over the Leica. The Vanguard is a more modern flat field design with sharper edges. Leica hasn't changed their old-fashioned optical design in 30 years.

 

[roweraay]

The bigger the AFOV of a binocular the more WOW factor it has.

Totally true, and I can certainly attest to that.

 

[limonabe]

The Vanguard is a more modern flat field design with sharper edges. Leica hasn't changed their old-fashioned optical design in 30 years

You've got it backward. Flat field binoculars were the norm a century ago. The more modern designs are those with pincushion added to alleviate the rolling ball effect.

 

[jgraider]

The bigger the AFOV of a binocular the more WOW factor it has.

You'll love the new Sky Rover Banner Cloud then. You ought to try one.

 

[jgraider]

I would ignore your reviews before I would ignore Albinos. Your reviews are totally subjective. According to jackjack this binocular is brighter and sharper because that is what jackjack sees with his eyes and jackjack's eyes are perfect. Then you support your reviews with a photo that means nothing.

A week ago you were in 100% agreement with everything he posted. What's up?

 

[Viraj]

NL's are simply the best!, for a MONTH, maybe a MONTH and a HALF. Who wants to guess the best binoculars for the next month? 😁

 

[dorubird]

Denco,
If we sit and read with big fervor the allbinos tables or other reviews, we will no longer know our tools in real practice on the field, no matter how good the binoculars we are talking about are. In order to knowing our binos and see birds, we have to fulfill a very simple criterion: let's use our binoculars for a long time in the field and talk less about tables and subjective ratings. My rating may be different from yours and there is no problem with that. But trying to impose your rating on others is childish, especially when your own rating changes from one day to the next. It's exactly like a child who says that my toy is more beautiful than yours, and another says no, mine is more beautiful than yours. And so on without end, without children actually knowing or playing with their toys anymore.
You made so many references to allbinos that I think you forget that this site is also subjective like all our reviews. Even more, in some important aspects allbinos it is very subjective (chromatic aberrations, the amount of blur on the edges, astigmatism and coma). So any review should be taken with grain of salt, especially those that have a numerical rating system. So, lets go nature, because there is no best binoculars, only the most USED binoculars!
What are your most used binoculars? None, because you change them very often. When you will stay at least 3-4 years with a pair of binoculars, then this is the sign that it will definitely be the best for you, and then you will have even greater credibility to say that this is "the best for me". I wish this NL Pure to be the one for you!!! But, unfortunately, I am afraid, that you had other binoculars "the best of the best" in the past that did not resist your indecision, and your search style is still ongoing.

 

[Dennis Mau]

You've got it backward. Flat field binoculars were the norm a century ago. The more modern designs are those with pincushion added to alleviate the rolling ball effect.

A LITTLE pincushion has been added with the NL to stop RB. Flat field are the newest design, starting with the innovative Swarovski EL.

 

[Dennis Mau]

A week ago you were in 100% agreement with everything he posted. What's up?

I didn't realize at first every review he does is just subjective opinions of what he sees through the binoculars with his own eyes and I woke up to the fact that the pictures tell you nothing because there are too many variables in photography.

 

[Dennis Mau]

NL's are simply the best!, for a MONTH, maybe a MONTH and a HALF. Who wants to guess the best binoculars for the next month? 😁

Depends upon if Swarovski comes out with a newer model. Swarovski's are usually going to the best binoculars, especially optically.

 

[Dennis Mau]

Denco,
If we sit and read with big fervor the allbinos tables or other reviews, we will no longer know our tools in real practice on the field, no matter how good the binoculars we are talking about are. In order to knowing our binos and see birds, we have to fulfill a very simple criterion: let's use our binoculars for a long time in the field and talk less about tables and subjective ratings. My rating may be different from yours and there is no problem with that. But trying to impose your rating on others is childish, especially when your own rating changes from one day to the next. It's exactly like a child who says that my toy is more beautiful than yours, and another says no, mine is more beautiful than yours. And so on without end, without children actually knowing or playing with their toys anymore.
You made so many references to allbinos that I think you forget that this site is also subjective like all our reviews. Even more, in some important aspects allbinos it is very subjective (chromatic aberrations, the amount of blur on the edges, astigmatism and coma). So any review should be taken with grain of salt, especially those that have a numerical rating system. So, lets go nature, because there is no best binoculars, only the most USED binoculars!
What are your most used binoculars? None, because you change them very often. When you will stay at least 3-4 years with a pair of binoculars, then this is the sign that it will definitely be the best for you, and then you will have even greater credibility to say that this is "the best for me". I wish this NL Pure to be the one for you!!! But, unfortunately, I am afraid, that you had other binoculars "the best of the best" in the past that did not resist your indecision, and your search style is still ongoing.

That being said, NL's are still the best available binoculars on the market right now for most people. Allbinos say it is true, BBR say it is true, and I say it is true.

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[A2GG]

A LITTLE pincushion has been added with the NL to stop RB. Flat field are the newest design, starting with the innovative Swarovski EL.

Nikon Premiere SE introduced in late 90’s had flat field before Swaro EL SV came along.

as others have mentioned field flatteners have been around a long time.

 

[Dennis Mau]

You'll love the new Sky Rover Banner Cloud then. You ought to try one.

I did. I sold mine the next day. Likewise, I didn't bother returning it to China.

 

[Dennis Mau]

Nikon Premiere SE introduced in late 90’s had flat field before Swaro EL SV came along.

as others have mentioned field flatteners have been around a long time.

Yes, but until the SV, they weren't perfectly flat and sharp to the edge with a big FOV. The Nikon Premier SE are not tack sharp at the edge like a SV. The SE is maybe about 95% sharp to the edge. The SV has the sharpest edges of any binoculars on the market. That is what separated the SV from other flat field binoculars.

 

[A2GG]

Yes, but until the SV, they weren't perfectly flat and sharp to the edge. That is what separated the SV.

what you posted earlier is still incorrect:

A LITTLE pincushion has been added with the NL to stop RB. Flat field are the newest design, starting with the innovative Swarovski EL.

flat field isn't new and didn't begin with Swarovski.

 

[Dennis Mau]

what you posted earlier is still incorrect:


flat field isn't new and didn't begin with Swarovski.

You're correct, the flat field design started with the SE, LX. LXL, EDG's and even some of the older binoculars, but Swarovski carried it to new levels with the SV's which have some of the sharpest edges of any binocular I have seen with the Canon 10x42 IS-L being the closest to it. Even the NL isn't quite as sharp at the edge as the SV. Swarovski relaxed the flat field design a little in the NL to counteract RB, but not much. They are still almost tack sharp to the edge and have the sharpest edges by far of all the alphas. That is why I like them