Scilly Helicopter prices 2007 (2 Viewers)

[changer400]

No, not at all Archie. I think the more people consider this seriously everytime they plan a trip the more chance we have of not completely knackering up the planet.

HI T

Whilst not wanting to get too deep into the whole eco argument - I still find it amusing that WE ( The British ) have a total carbon footprint in the world of 2% (!) so even if all stopped using our cars or going on holidays ( the planes would still fly (!) ) the best we can hope for is only 98% of the worlds pollution hitting the Atmosphere ! Yes , we should educate and yes we should lead by example , but the wrong people are moaning at the wrong people I am afraid.

We , in the global community HAVE got our act together , we are producing 2% (1.7% I believe according to latest figures) not 20 or 30% ( cant remember the Chinese or American stats )

So lets stop the bleeding heart Carbon Footprint argument at an extremely local level

Cheers

Si.

This wonderful Planet of ours has survived global warming COUNTLESS times before ( ok the Dinos got a bit of a bum deal ) but we will weather this storm equally as well.

 

[Jos Stratford]

Bit of a shame that the cheapest form of sheltered accommodation on Mary's, ie. the drying rooms on the Garrison at £0 / night, appear to be no more

I remember being woken by the local PC for kipping in the rather nice shelter on the High Street that overlooks the bay where the Scillonian docks ...that was free too, but subject to disturbance!

 

[Larry Sweetland]

You mean the moistening rooms and crane fly hatchery, Larry?

Right there JDJ. It seems that building missed out during the recent spate of changes in nomenclature.

 

[rozinante]

Not so sure that a shallow approach is likely to provide a clear enough view of the whole eco argument myself.

For example...isn't 1% of the worlds population producing 2% of the pollution at least double what it should be?

Let’s stop the reactionary bullshit at every level!

 

[Jos Stratford]

Not so sure that a shallow approach is likely to provide a clear enough view of the whole eco argument myself.

For example...isn't 1% of the worlds population producing 2% of the pollution at least double what it should be?

Let’s stop the reactionary bullshit at every level!

Let's face it, this thread is about prices, not CO2. If the latter is shoved down our faces at any opportunity, regardless whether that what was being discussed or not, is that bordering on the reactionary? It is little wonder that even birders, let alone normal persons in the street, simply yawn in response.

 

[sideshow bob]

It costs money to go birding anywhere nowadays, doesn't matter where or when. If you can afford it, then pay; if you can't, then don't. Wherever you go, whatever you pay, if you enjoy it, then it's money well spent, doesn't matter if that's £1 or £1000.

As for carbon footprints, even the "experts" can't decide if this is a suitable way of measuring the impact of our lifestyles on the environment, although certain common sense facts hold true. For example, cycling 10 miles to see a bird causes less carbon emissions than driving those 10 miles.

And for dedicated local patch watchers, what are the comparisons between 1 flight to Scilly and c200 5-mile round trips in the car per year?

Changer400 is (unfortunately!) right, despite his cynicism over global warming - the UK's 'carbon footprint' is, on a global scale, negligible. But without sounding sanctimonious (hopefully!), this is no excuse for complacency.

 

[rozinante]

Let's face it, this thread is about prices, not CO2. If the latter is shoved down our faces at any opportunity, regardless whether that what was being discussed or not, is that bordering on the reactionary? It is little wonder that even birders, let alone normal persons in the street, simply yawn in response.

I didn't post the figures, simply questioned them.

Sometimes a yawn would be an improvement.

 

[James Hunter]

Trying to address the original question of the thread - if people out there feel so strongly, then either tell BA international so, or boycott the service, or both.

RS

 

[James]

Lets look at another rip off.
I travel from Warrington to London by train at least once a week with an early start. This costs £211 return with a tube ticket for zone one. How can you justify this?
To all those people who smugly say "supply and demand" I would like to point out that I work in the public sector and YOU the TAXPAYER are paying for this.

James

 

[DunnoKev]

I suspect the cost of the big fat Sea King comes in to the equation somewhere

I've just spent ages trying to work out who this birder is.. (I did have a prime suspect but I think he's still eating bread pudding on the Narf Narfuk coast..) but I've just sussed it's a jelicopter!!

 

[Vernon Lundy]

It'll probably be a crap boring year on Scilly anyway so save your money. Get onboard a westbound 747 and go visit Cape May instead. Petrol is 1/3 the price you pay in the UK.

B

Alright in principle but facing the interminably boring immigration and passport services in the USA and the downright insolent and arrogant officers I would rather spend my money in Europe or Africa

 

[Outboard]

Alright in principle but facing the interminably boring immigration and passport services in the USA and the downright insolent and arrogant officers I would rather spend my money in Europe or Africa

Dont know where you flew into but I've never had a problem.

 

[Vernon Lundy]

Dont know where you flew into but I've never had a problem.

Is that because you are a resident? I speak from the authority of flying several times thro' NY, Chicago, Miami and Seatac. The last time thro' Chicago on the way to Oregon I was sneered at by a fat slob officer asking me 'Who the Hell wants to go to Oregon?'

 

[Binocularface]

HI T

Whilst not wanting to get too deep into the whole eco argument - I still find it amusing that WE ( The British ) have a total carbon footprint in the world of 2% (!) so even if all stopped using our cars or going on holidays ( the planes would still fly (!) ) the best we can hope for is only 98% of the worlds pollution hitting the Atmosphere ! Yes , we should educate and yes we should lead by example , but the wrong people are moaning at the wrong people I am afraid.

We , in the global community HAVE got our act together , we are producing 2% (1.7% I believe according to latest figures) not 20 or 30% ( cant remember the Chinese or American stats )

So lets stop the bleeding heart Carbon Footprint argument at an extremely local level

Cheers

Si.

This wonderful Planet of ours has survived global warming COUNTLESS times before ( ok the Dinos got a bit of a bum deal ) but we will weather this storm equally as well.

Fair enough S,

If we only have such a small imprint on the world, I guess we should not bother. Especially as despite the mountains if evidence to the contrary, the freak weather and general climatic conditions we are experiencing are just part of a weather system..........after all the planet has experienced worse

Ignorence is bliss after all!

 

[PhilW]

Anyway instead of planting a tree for every 1,000 miles I travel, I simply drown a chav in the Coventry Canal. It reduces the amount of fast food litter in my area, it takes a fossil fuel burning Vauxhall Corsa off my streets and it reduces child labour in developing Countries as the average chav will get through an estimated 76 branded polyester tracksuits in their limetime.

Anyways back to the thread...... Scillonians are ripping us off man!

Archie.

I hope your not condoning polluting our waterways?

As Jimmy pointed out in an earlier posting - its all about supply and demand. If we (birders) continue going in numbers the prices stay high. They'll drop when or if the demand falls. Although people say the numbers on the Scillys are not what they used to be you try getting a B & B for October!

 

[Binocularface]

Let's face it, this thread is about prices, not CO2. If the latter is shoved down our faces at any opportunity, regardless whether that what was being discussed or not, is that bordering on the reactionary? It is little wonder that even birders, let alone normal persons in the street, simply yawn in response.

Get a grip Jos - This is being shoved down out throats at every opportunity mainly because it is serious. If it is boring you then I feel sorry for you. People need to take responsibility for the damage they are causing; be it a mere 0.01% or 99.9% of global significance.

 

[Andrew]

Supply and demand is working as I am seriously considering not going next year.

Capitalism works.

 

[Arbu]

Why not fly to Haugesund in Norway with Ryanair, take the ferry across to Utsira for a few days to loook for rarities, and shoot a moose (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/science/article2310627.ece) in order to offset your carbon footprint before returning? All seems to fit together quite well to me.

 

[Jos Stratford]

If it is boring you then I feel sorry for you. People need to take responsibility for the damage they are causing.

How thoughtful of you, thank you kindly for feeling sorry for me, truly appreciated. :-O

Not intending a personal dig at anyone, but my point is really (I believe) a majority of people are latching onto the flying thing as a fad, yet continuing their consumption-rich life. Fashionable hypocrites. CO2 output can be tackled in many ways, many of which do not even require major changes in lifestyle, yet rarely are these mentioned. People commute, live in energy-guzzling homes and get in their energy-consuming cars. They do bugger all to offset anything in their everyday life, but still hark on forever about planes (which still are responsible for a small percentage of total CO2 outputs).

To be honest, I don't really give a toss, so you can carry on feeling sorry for me, I live my life how I want and if people feel the need to tell me to take responsibility, so be it. Truth be told, on CO2, I am probably more carbon-friendly than most of the people on this forum, but that means sod all, cos I also choose to live a life and, in my life, that means flying sometimes too.

And, boy, that helicopter is expensive!

 

[Binocularface]

How thoughtful of you, thank you kindly for feeling sorry for me, truly appreciated. :-O

No Problem Jos - Glad to be of service:-O !

To be honest, I don't really give a toss, so you can carry on feeling sorry for me, I live my life how I want and if people feel the need to tell me to take responsibility, so be it.

Congratulations! I wonder if it is that sort of attitude and lifestyle that has contributed to the current global ecological mess we are now experiencing