Are you sure one guy wasn't speaking Frisian, and the other Dutch?
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New bin, EL10x50SV (4 Viewers)
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Are you sure one guy wasn't speaking Frisian, and the other Dutch?
Gijs,
You wrote: "Because I traded in my nearly new Trinovid, the money I had to pay extra for the SV also would have covered the price of the CHD. Speaking of money, the difference was kind of negliable."
The second sentence starting with "Speaking of money" didn't seem like it was connected to the first sentence, which is why I thought the CHD was about the same price as the SV EL in the Netherlands. European prices are different than the U.S. (usually more expensive), but the price difference should still be about the same. Thanks for clarifying that.
Yes, that should have been Knights of the "Flat Table" in your case since you don't see RB.
The word "eligible" is difficult to spell even for English speaking natives, because "a"s and "i"s are used so interchangeably in English that you have to memorize every word, you can't sound it out and spell it.
Your English is better than some Americans I know. Also, the spellcheck doesn't always work. If you misspell a word so badly that it doesn't recognize it, and you hit spellcheck again, it will stop highlighting the word and mislead you into thinking it's spelled correctly.
I had two years of German in H.S., and two years in college, and I couldn't write a paragraph as good as yours without having a Deutsch-English dictionary by my side. Even then, I would probably flub the grammar since German syntax is different than English, for example, the verb coming at the end of the sentence.
If you don't use it, you lose it. If I lived near the Pennsylvania Dutch I might get a chance to use my German although they have their own dialect.
Btw, do you know the other Gijs on here (the optics expert) and Jan? Jan owns a big optics store in Holland (or one of them, there are supposed to be two Holland provinces in the Netherlands). When I was a young kid in school, the Netherlands was called Holland. They wore funny hats and shoes made of wood. I saw a travel documentary on Amsterdam recently, and it was a thoroughly modern city - no clogs or funny hats!
Brock
Brock, I'm glad I could make myself clear now:t: (and I never use spell check
)B.t.w. clogs and funny hats, that's been a loooooong time ago. Do we Dutch people really have that reputation in the States? If that's the case, I guess we have work to do:eat: Windmills, tulips, wooden shoes and cheese are so 2014
I don't know Gijs or Jan personally, but I like to read their posts. I live only 3KM from the NL/Be border, and Maarssen, where Jans store is located is pretty far away for me. My optics store is only 10min. away for me, they know me, I know them, and they always treat me as a Knight of the Flat Table:king:
On a regular basis I walk in to try some bins, just for fun, or to just have a chat. Part of my hobby.
@maljunulo, the EL10x42SV is a magnificent bin as well, the only 2 advantages of the SV50 over the SV42 I can think of are the 0.8mm bigger EP and the 3m/1000m bigger FOV.
It comes at the cost of a 200g higher weight, and a larger body.
I doubt if the 3m extra FOV can be noticed, so that leaves the 0.8mm bigger EP as the main difference in between these bins. I can't tell how much of a differece that will make.
Fact is they're both top notch binos.
Cheers,
Gijs
He probably was speaking a dialect of it. He said he was from islands off the coast of Holland and he said he was Dutch. He came to America as a young child so he might not have had much contact with mainland dutch speakers. His last name had Tj as the 1st 2 letters in it and that was his nickname, "T J".
Bob
Brock, I'm glad I could make myself clear now:t: (and I never use spell check
B.t.w. clogs and funny hats, that's been a loooooong time ago. Do we Dutch people really have that reputation in the States? If that's the case, I guess we have work to do:eat: Windmills, tulips, wooden shoes and cheese are so 2014
I don't know Gijs or Jan personally, but I like to read their posts. I live only 3KM from the NL/Be border, and Maarssen, where Jans store is located is pretty far away for me. My optics store is only 10min. away for me, they know me, I know them, and they always treat me as a Knight of the Flat Table:king:
On a regular basis I walk in to try some bins, just for fun, or to just have a chat. Part of my hobby.
@maljunulo, the EL10x42SV is a magnificent bin as well, the only 2 advantages of the SV50 over the SV42 I can think of are the 0.8mm bigger EP and the 3m/1000m bigger FOV.
It comes at the cost of a 200g higher weight, and a larger body.
I doubt if the 3m extra FOV can be noticed, so that leaves the 0.8mm bigger EP as the main difference in between these bins. I can't tell how much of a differece that will make.
Fact is they're both top notch binos.
Cheers,
Gijs
Gijs,
I fished one summer for salmon in South East Alaska on a boat out of Northwestern Washington State in La Connor where they grow tulips commercially. The skipper of the Purse Seiner I crewed on was Dutch. His first name was Arie; we called him Ed.
Ed's father had emigrated to the USA from Holland before Ed was born. When he introduced me to his father I noted that the old gentleman was wearing dutch wooden shoes just like I used to see in pictures!
Bob
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I don't know how far we can stray here, but there is a video, on the internet somewhere, of a guy speaking (absolutely atrocious) Anglo-Saxon to a Frisian farmer, and they can get their points across to each other.
I wouldn't know atrocious Anglo-Saxon from a "Down East" accent but I think I'm going to try to find that video!
I had enough trouble getting my tongue around the Prologue in the Canterbury Tales!
I wouldn't know atrocious Anglo-Saxon from a "Down East" accent but I think I'm going to try to find that video!
I had enough trouble getting my tongue around the Prologue in the Canterbury Tales!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeC1yAaWG34
brocknroller
porromaniac
Brock, I'm glad I could make myself clear now:t: (and I never use spell check
B.t.w. clogs and funny hats, that's been a loooooong time ago. Do we Dutch people really have that reputation in the States? If that's the case, I guess we have work to do:eat: Windmills, tulips, wooden shoes and cheese are so 2014
I don't know Gijs or Jan personally, but I like to read their posts. I live only 3KM from the NL/Be border, and Maarssen, where Jans store is located is pretty far away for me. My optics store is only 10min. away for me, they know me, I know them, and they always treat me as a Knight of the Flat Table:king:
On a regular basis I walk in to try some bins, just for fun, or to just have a chat. Part of my hobby.
Cheers,
Gijs
And let's not forget the legend about a small boy who while passing a dyke on his way to school noticed a slight leak as the sea trickled in through a small hole. Knowing that he would be in trouble if he were to be late for school, the boy pocked his finger into the hole and so stemmed the flow of water. Some time later a passerby saw him and went to get help, which came from men who were able to make repairs on the dyke and seal the leak.
This story is told to children (including me when I was young) to teach them that if they act quickly and in time, even they with their limited strength and resources can avert disasters ("a stitch in time saves nine" is another such lesson).
This tale originated from the American writer Mary Mapes Dodge. She published this tale in Hans Brinker, or the Silver Skates in 1865. The Little Dutch Boy is a very popular myth in the U.S., but is not well known in the Netherlands.
Of course, if sea levels continue to rise, it will take more than a finger to stop the flooding in the Netherlands. Is your house on stilts? I think houseboats might be the final solution. Go with the flow...
Brock
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Rathaus
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I'm considering buying either the 10x50 EL SV or the Canon IS 10x42 for stargazing/long(er) range viewing. Although the 10x50 is tempting due to its large AFOV and aperture (and great view if the hype on this forum is to be believed), I am nudging towards the Canon IS due to the stabilisation and lower cost. Also, I doubt I could hold an unstabilised 10x still enough to avoid "dancing stars" when using it for astro.
I have those cannons and the 32 and 42mm SV. The cannons can be astonishing, but I'd look at them as a 5-10yr product...its like walking on eggshells with them...there's too much to go wrong in there...plus it's like a small R2D2 brick. My cannons performance was perfect new, but seems a bit erratic now with the IS. I've hiked with them and maybe they didn't like roughing it a little.
Regarding the Swarovski...you can indulge in them for 30-40yrs and then just pass them onto your grand kids as a useful heirloom. I haven't tried the 10x50SV, but I keep hearing from various reliable sources that they're the absolute cream of the entire Swarovski range....the best binocular Swarovski has ever made.
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Brock, luckily the part where I'm from (near Valkenswaard) will always be safe, as most of the part of the Netherlands. The place where I live is around 36m above sea level, so even if the ice caps and glaciers were melted, I still can enjoy my great SVs
https://nl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geografie_van_Nederland#/media/Bestand:The_Netherlands_compared_to_sealevel.png
That's exactly the reason why I'm a bit wary about electronics in binoculars. A bin has got to be as fool proof as possible for me, and electronics combined with outdoor equipment isn't a good mix IMO.
I look forward to use the SV50 for stargazing, but the weather over here isn't really cooperating this week:C
Theo98
Eurasian Goldfinch
Well, appears Gijs (paraphrased above) says it all about the excellent Swaro EL 10x50 SV! I've been in the background reading and listening about these for the past 6 months, but till I looked through them (after reading Gijs' review), thought price of admission was too high. A deal came along the day I was WOWED by their Optical Magic, and now am a greatly satisfied owner,yea! :king:
I'll have to get some glassing time behind these before affirming my quick observations, but Maybe, I've found myself in Bino Heaven! o
Ted
I would go with the Swarovski 10x50 SV if you can afford the difference. The Canon IS 10x42 is good with the IS but the Swaro's optics are better. I had the Canon for awhile and I have used a lot of 10x but the Swarovski is the best 10x I have ever seen. The Swaro 10x50 SV is absolutely incredible. That big 50mm aperture makes a big difference in performance. The Canon 10x42 IS I had had optical artifacts which I think are a by product of the IS system. In other words there are periods when the image appears out of focus or vacillates in and out of focus. The Swarovski 10x50 SV will KILL the Canon IS overall optically with much better contrast and resolution. If you want to use the SV 10x50 for astronomy just put it on a tripod. That way you have comfortable viewing that is optically superior to the Canon and you don't have to hold a brick up all night and put batteries in it all the time. The Canon has a terrible warranty and is way more fragile than the SV. I personally would never choose the Canon over the Swaro if I could afford either. It is a no brainer.I'm considering buying either the 10x50 EL SV or the Canon IS 10x42 for stargazing/long(er) range viewing. Although the 10x50 is tempting due to its large AFOV and aperture (and great view if the hype on this forum is to be believed), I am nudging towards the Canon IS due to the stabilisation and lower cost. Also, I doubt I could hold an unstabilised 10x still enough to avoid "dancing stars" when using it for astro.
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I'm considering buying either the 10x50 EL SV or the Canon IS 10x42 for stargazing/long(er) range viewing. Although the 10x50 is tempting due to its large AFOV and aperture (and great view if the hype on this forum is to be believed), I am nudging towards the Canon IS due to the stabilisation and lower cost. Also, I doubt I could hold an unstabilised 10x still enough to avoid "dancing stars" when using it for astro.
For astronomy viewing, the Canon is in a league of its own, The stabilization is magical, the stars float in the sky rather than dance all over. Of course that also makes it easy to see considerably more detail when available.
The 10x50 EL is lighter and more ergonomic as well as more elegant than the blocky Canon, plus Swaro service is unsurpassed and puts Canon's niggardly 1 year warranty to shame. The Swaro is of course also about twice the Canon price, at least here in the US.
I've been a very contented Canon user since 2008 and find its combination of first rate optics with effective IS unequalled. The optical and ergonomic give ups it exacts vs the Swaros are more than offset imho by the IS benefits provided.
brocknroller
porromaniac
Brock, luckily the part where I'm from (near Valkenswaard) will always be safe, as most of the part of the Netherlands. The place where I live is around 36m above sea level, so even if the ice caps and glaciers were melted, I still can enjoy my great SVs
https://nl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geografie_van_Nederland#/media/Bestand:The_Netherlands_compared_to_sealevel.png
That's good to hear, because SV ELs are only fog & waterproof to a depth of 4m (13 ft), so Dutch Boys in the low lying areas (isn't that the meaning of the word "Netherlands"?) had better store their SV ELs in the attic.
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That's good to hear, because SV ELs are only fog & waterproof to a depth of 4m (13 ft), so Dutch Boys in the low lying areas (isn't that the meaning of the word "Netherlands"?) had better store their SV ELs in the attic.
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No worries Brock, the latest SV's are so water repellent, they can split a sea in two. Throw it in a bathtub full of water, and it will be empty before you can say "doh"
Back OT, this bin is incredible. Every time I use it, I'm loving it even more.
I thought after the purchase of the SV50, I still would be using the little SV most of the time, but the opposite seems to be true.
When I'm at home and I'd like to do some glassing in my back yard, I'm mostly using the 50cal. instead.|=)|
@Ted, Glad it worked out for you as well my friend, as you know we were walking the same road to perfection, but I'm afraid there's little to look out for anymore. Now I'm starting to realize that we have probably reached the summit of optical perfection:king:
Gijs
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Theo98
Eurasian Goldfinch
My Swaro EL 10x50 SV Discoveries!
After the past 5 days of glassing under various lighting conditions (Daytime=sunny, rainy, cloudy, sunset, sunrise, early dawn, extreme dusk)-(Nighttime=crescent moon, dim street light shadows, starlight, darkness) and comparing the glass I have in my current collection of binos (see pic), my parallel journey with Gijs toward optical heaven appears in my grasp, namely the Swarovski EL 10x50 SV's! :king:
Optically, "Coming Home, "Comfortable View", "Bam, there it Is", "Lighter than it Is", "High AFOV", "CA Nicely controlled", "Big EP, easy on Eyes" were all descriptions by Gijs that I totally agree with. Now, Every viewing session starts with a "WOW" as I'm transported into the FOV as if I were standing there, just 10x closer! Contrast and color are equal to my wonderful SLC 10x42's (which are Superb), however resolution and sharpness are a step up with the 10x50 SV, yielding a brighter clarity that not only shows in shadowy daytime glassing, but especially in the deep dark details of extreme low light viewing. Static glassing just takes my breath away as the 10x50's present an even deeper DOF image presentation that makes me forget I'm looking through binoculars.
My only negative issue with the 10x50 SV's is their rolling ball effect due to the field flattening feature of the oculars. I'm very sensitive to RBE, but have pleasantly discovered the 10x50's horizontal panning, although noticeable, hasn't affected me as others have with dizziness or vertigo. Vertical panning is a little more prominent, but still does not adversely affect my sensitivity to RBE. I've viewed much worse, (Viper HD, Gold Ring HD, 8x32 SV), and optics that to my eyes had none (SLC's, HT's, Ultra Vids+)!
Ergonomically, after 25 hrs of viewing and comparison sessions in all diverse lighting conditions, their balanced weight allows me to hold these steadier than any other full size optics I've ever experienced. My best half also commented these were easier to hold and controlled "10X" shake better than any of our other, lighter 10x42's. The 10x50 eye cups are very comfortable for me and the focus control is very smooth and precise, both to Infinity (clockwise) and near field (counter clock wise). IPD adjustments are real positive and hold tightly from accidental bumping and rough handling. The pop-out focus diopter control is extremely precise and secure, making settings very intuitive, quick and easy. The 10x50's feel solid in my hands as the open bridge and larger barrels seems to offer an easier grip in handling their size and weight.
Due to their Superb optical qualities and handling, I've chose the EL 10x50 SV to be my primary glassing instrument...for a Long Time to come! Overall, I believe Pileatus statement in his Oct 2014 review says it ALL: HERE
At this time, the above are my findings, Your Mileage might vary! Seeing with your own eyes and handling these bad boys will really be the only way to determine if YOU also love their attributes and can tolerate their shortcomings! :t:
Ted
Well, appears Gijs (paraphrased above) says it all about the excellent Swaro EL 10x50 SV! I've been in the background reading and listening about these for the past 6 months, but till I looked through them (after reading Gijs' review), thought price of admission was too high. A deal came along the day I was WOWED by their Optical Magic, and now am a greatly satisfied owner,yea! :king:
I'll have to get some glassing time behind these before affirming my quick observations, but Maybe, I've found myself in Bino Heaven! o
Ted
After the past 5 days of glassing under various lighting conditions (Daytime=sunny, rainy, cloudy, sunset, sunrise, early dawn, extreme dusk)-(Nighttime=crescent moon, dim street light shadows, starlight, darkness) and comparing the glass I have in my current collection of binos (see pic), my parallel journey with Gijs toward optical heaven appears in my grasp, namely the Swarovski EL 10x50 SV's! :king:
Optically, "Coming Home, "Comfortable View", "Bam, there it Is", "Lighter than it Is", "High AFOV", "CA Nicely controlled", "Big EP, easy on Eyes" were all descriptions by Gijs that I totally agree with. Now, Every viewing session starts with a "WOW" as I'm transported into the FOV as if I were standing there, just 10x closer! Contrast and color are equal to my wonderful SLC 10x42's (which are Superb), however resolution and sharpness are a step up with the 10x50 SV, yielding a brighter clarity that not only shows in shadowy daytime glassing, but especially in the deep dark details of extreme low light viewing. Static glassing just takes my breath away as the 10x50's present an even deeper DOF image presentation that makes me forget I'm looking through binoculars.
My only negative issue with the 10x50 SV's is their rolling ball effect due to the field flattening feature of the oculars. I'm very sensitive to RBE, but have pleasantly discovered the 10x50's horizontal panning, although noticeable, hasn't affected me as others have with dizziness or vertigo. Vertical panning is a little more prominent, but still does not adversely affect my sensitivity to RBE. I've viewed much worse, (Viper HD, Gold Ring HD, 8x32 SV), and optics that to my eyes had none (SLC's, HT's, Ultra Vids+)!
Ergonomically, after 25 hrs of viewing and comparison sessions in all diverse lighting conditions, their balanced weight allows me to hold these steadier than any other full size optics I've ever experienced. My best half also commented these were easier to hold and controlled "10X" shake better than any of our other, lighter 10x42's. The 10x50 eye cups are very comfortable for me and the focus control is very smooth and precise, both to Infinity (clockwise) and near field (counter clock wise). IPD adjustments are real positive and hold tightly from accidental bumping and rough handling. The pop-out focus diopter control is extremely precise and secure, making settings very intuitive, quick and easy. The 10x50's feel solid in my hands as the open bridge and larger barrels seems to offer an easier grip in handling their size and weight.
Due to their Superb optical qualities and handling, I've chose the EL 10x50 SV to be my primary glassing instrument...for a Long Time to come! Overall, I believe Pileatus statement in his Oct 2014 review says it ALL: HERE
At this time, the above are my findings, Your Mileage might vary! Seeing with your own eyes and handling these bad boys will really be the only way to determine if YOU also love their attributes and can tolerate their shortcomings! :t:
Ted
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Enjoy!
Well, my balls still ain't rollin' when I look through my SV's
I still have zero regrets that I didn't choose to take the CHD56/Trinny42 road. I suppose I can give it a rest now for what the "road to perfection" concerns, and continue to enjoy the magnificent view of the big gun.
However, I do miss the solid feel of the Trinny. I still prefer the mechanical quality of Leica over Swarovski. Well, I guess one can't have it allB
Cheers, Gijs
I still have zero regrets that I didn't choose to take the CHD56/Trinny42 road. I suppose I can give it a rest now for what the "road to perfection" concerns, and continue to enjoy the magnificent view of the big gun.
However, I do miss the solid feel of the Trinny. I still prefer the mechanical quality of Leica over Swarovski. Well, I guess one can't have it allB
Cheers, Gijs
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