Paultricounty
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Omg, me too.Astonishingly, I find myself in complete agreement with Dennis.
Omg, me too.Astonishingly, I find myself in complete agreement with Dennis.
You are tributary to some preconceptions and it can be seen ... Allbinos rarely puts two binoculars next to each other consecutively on the same day to look under the same conditions with them. Allbinos not tried these binoculars side by side in a same day and circumstance. They have some tables with the results of binoculars that have been tested over the years. If you strictly follow the results in these tables, sometimes you can draw unrealistic conclusions regarding binocular comparisons (this is also what allbinos say, that their results must be taken with great subjectivity). A less subjective comparison is the one in which two binoculars are placed face to face on the same days, not from memory tables report (especially for glare and chromatic aberrations). For example, you can see in my picture how the exit pupil of the Swarovski EL 8x32 is surrounded by many more and more stronger reflections than the MHG 8x30. You have show me the exit pupil of HG from albinos, but you don't show me the much worse exit pupil of EL (also in allbinos photo). I'll let you guess which one has more glare in reality, in the most difficult different lighting situations!My opinions are based on my direct side-by-side comparison also. I just use Allbinos to support them because I often agree with them. I am sorry, but there is no way the Nikon MHG 8x30 is mechanically better than the Swarovski EL SV 8x32. The MHG even looks cheaper, and I would wager if you disassembled each binocular, you would see a noticeable difference in the quality of the internal components.
Everybody sees glare differently, and you said your self it occurs under different circumstances, so you could see more glare in the EL than the HG. When I had the EL I would only see glare in certain situations like looking up at steep angles, but with the MHG I saw veiling glare almost everywhere, which would cover the entire FOV. The reason the MHG has so much glare is the tubes are not blackened well at all. Look at the light reflections in these two pictures of the exit pupils of the MHG tubes from Allbinos.
I agree the MHG is smaller and more compact, after all it is an 8x30 and isn't really trying to compete with an EL 8x32 for size. Swarovski isn't trying to compete with the Nikon MHG 8x30 with their EL 8x32 the CL 8x30 is the Nikon's competitor, and it beats it in most ways outside of FOV and close focus.View attachment 1533645View attachment 1533646
Swarovski advantages:
OPTICAL
1 Swarovski has the clarity extended over the entire surface of FOV, and Nikon's clarity decreases starting with the last 20%.
2 The overall contrast of the image is much higher with Swarovski.
3 Nikon's colors have a slight yellowish tinge compared to Swarovski, which has a cooler but more natural shade!
4 The brightness is clearly higher with Swarovski, also counting the difference of 2 mm in the diameter of the lenses.
Swarovski has the brighter and more contrasting image with a feeling of strong clarity even to the edges, somehow keeps you in tense feeling.
The image through Nikon is more gentle and enveloping and through Swarovski more aggressive and palpable.
I really like both binoculars for what they are!
I haven't seen him recently. I saw and also took some photos with Falco subbuteo a few years ago at my street in a tree.. He was chased away by some crows!Dorubird have you seen any Eurasian hobbies (Falco subbuteo - Șoimul rândunelelor) recently?
Swarovski advantages:
OPTICAL
1 Swarovski has the clarity extended over the entire surface of FOV, and Nikon's clarity decreases starting with the last 20%.
2 The overall contrast of the image is much higher with Swarovski.
3 Nikon's colors have a slight yellowish tinge compared to Swarovski, which has a cooler but more natural shade!
4 The brightness is clearly higher with Swarovski, also counting the difference of 2 mm in the diameter of the lenses.
on which rant? getting lost hereAstonishingly, I find myself in complete agreement with Dennis.
I had the same issue with blackouts with the 30’s. I could get it right but it was to much work every time I put it up to my eyes having to position it just right not to have the blackouts. The EL’s for me are on a completely different level of comfort, they’re almost like a Nikon EDG, I just put them up to my eyes and I’m in. A very forgiving eye box.The Nikon MHG 8x30 are nice little binoculars, but for me not wearing eyeglasses, they are similar to the Zeiss Victory 8x25's in that the eye cups are not long enough for the eye relief with my somewhat shallow eye sockets.
This results in having to float them over my eye sockets to avoid massive black-outs. I would imagine many people without deep eye sockets have similar problems, and I have heard many comments about this.
It is a deal killer for these unless you could find after market eye cups that would extend the eye cup length. Until then, they don't work for me and a lot of other users.
Really! An HG 8x30 compared to an EL SV 8x32. You are trying to compare a binocular that is 2x as expensive as the other one. They are not even close. No how, no way. Remember you get what you pay for.
Understood Dorubird, completely agree things are completely different if one needs to wear eyeglasses with binoculars. Please somebody correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe there is more going on here with the HG 30’s than just eye relief. I think it has to do with the design of the oculars more than eye relief. At slightly over 16mm it should be fine most everyone. I have no issues with the UV 32’s that have less eye relief ,and of course I would have more of an issue once it gets passed 20mm, to much eye relief.Yes, for those who do not wear glasses like you, I am convinced that this MHG can give some blackout problems. For that, even I, a glass wearer, must to extend eyecups one stop. But in this position it works great for me. Even so, I continue to see all their beautiful large FOV up to the black field stop.
The solution to beans & blackouts in my 8X32 SF was don’t stick them so far into your eyesockets.
Maljunulo,It had absolutely nothing to do with the binocular, and was a completely user-induced “problem”.
So true!Given a choice, many folks will blame an inanimate object, rather than themselves.
Just avoid gripping your IPhone 4 at the lower left of the phone 😜. I remember it well.Dos anyone remember the uproar when Steve Jobs said “You’re holding it wrong”
That works if you need just a small adjustment, but if the eye cups are way too short you end up having to float them away from your face, like I did when I tried two different Nikon MHG 8x30's. That was a deal killer for me on the MHG, and I heard a lot of comment from other users that don't wear glasses that had the same problem.The solution to beans & blackouts in my 8X32 SF was don’t stick them so far into your eyesockets.
It had absolutely nothing to do with the binocular, and was a completely user-induced “problem”.
Given a choice, many folks will blame an inanimate object, rather than themselves.
Dos anyone remember the uproar when Steve Jobs said “You’re holding it wrong”?
You are serious?!The El 8x32 has mechanical quality
I’d say that holds true most of the time , for most things.Yes, you get what you pay; for but sometimes the best is more than one needs.
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Schießen Sie auf das Glas, Schießen Sie auf das Glas. 🤣As Herve said," It's the glass, the glass!"
Are you specifically saying the lack of quality is all just the issues with the armor?You are serious?!I dont see it, I see only one big sticky crack in a "top super alpha mega higher class"